{"id":371,"date":"2013-01-19T02:54:30","date_gmt":"2013-01-19T01:54:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.proof.de\/?p=371"},"modified":"2020-05-08T12:01:25","modified_gmt":"2020-05-08T10:01:25","slug":"layout-i-rgb-udskrivning-i-cmyk-problemer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/layout-i-rgb-udskrivning-i-cmyk-problemer\/","title":{"rendered":"Layout i RGB, udskrivning i CMYK. Problemer?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kk-star-ratings kksr-auto kksr-align-right kksr-valign-top\" data-payload='{\"align\":\"right\",\"id\":\"371\",\"slug\":\"default\",\"valign\":\"top\",\"ignore\":\"\",\"reference\":\"auto\",\"class\":\"\",\"count\":\"0\",\"legendonly\":\"\",\"readonly\":\"\",\"score\":\"0\",\"starsonly\":\"\",\"best\":\"5\",\"gap\":\"5\",\"greet\":\"Jetzt bewerten\",\"legend\":\"0\\\/5 - (0 votes)\",\"size\":\"24\",\"title\":\"Layout in RGB, Druck in CMYK. 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Menneskets farvesyn er baseret p\u00e5 disse farver.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">RGB<\/a> er reglen snarere end undtagelsen. Fordelene er indlysende:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Layoutet finder sted i et stort, n\u00e6sten medieneutralt <a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/farverum-2\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Farverummet er baseret p\u00e5 en farvemodel og er dens konkrete anvendelse p\u00e5 en farvel\u00e6gningsmetode (printer, sk\u00e6rm osv.). Det indeholder derfor alle farver, der rent faktisk kan repr\u00e6senteres med denne metode, og de tilsvarende materialer.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Farverum<\/a> i stedet for<\/li>\n<li>Alle Photoshop-filtre er tilg\u00e6ngelige uden begr\u00e6nsning<\/li>\n<li>Processen med konvertering af farverum til <a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/cmyk\/\" target=\"_self\" title='CMYK st\u00e5r for de fire trykfarver cyan, magenta, gul (gul) og &quot;key&quot; (sort eller sort del).' class=\"encyclopedia\">CMYK<\/a> flyttes s\u00e5 sent som muligt i produktionsprocessen<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I praksis er der imidlertid potentielle problemer p\u00e5 is\u00e6r to omr\u00e5der.<\/p>\n<p>Problem 1: CMYK-konvertering i det sidste trin.<br>\nKataloget er layoutet i InDesign, alle data er perfekte, som det sidste skridt f\u00f8r trykning og <a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/bevis\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Et proof (korrekt: kontraktproof) er en ISO 12647-7-certificeret proofinganordning til den grafiske industri. Et korrekturtryk simulerer farven ved offset- eller dybtryk p\u00e5 en farve- og juridisk bindende m\u00e5de inden for de sn\u00e6vre tolerancer i ISO-standarden.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Bevis<\/a> Det n\u00e6ste trin er at eksportere billedet til en PDF-fil, der kan udskrives i CMYK. Normalt g\u00f8res dette via en forudindstilling i InDesign, hvor de n\u00f8jagtige specifikationer for farveomdannelsen d<a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/efi\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Electronics For Imaging Inc. er en amerikansk virksomhed og producent af et af verdens f\u00f8rende proofing-systemer: EFI Colorproof XF, siden 2013: Fiery XF. EFI er en leverand\u00f8r af l\u00f8sninger til store tryksystemer, RIP&#039;er og farveh\u00e5ndteringsl\u00f8sninger som f.eks. proofing.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">efi<\/a>niseret. I praksis kan denne overf\u00f8rsel af farverum imidlertid n\u00e6ppe overv\u00e5ges. Problemet: Selv om man i den eksporterede PDF-fil f.eks. \u00e6ndrer farvev\u00e6rdierne til Acr<a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/oba\/\" target=\"_self\" title='OBA er en forkortelse for &quot;Optical Brightning Agents&quot; eller &quot;Optical Brightners&quot;.' class=\"encyclopedia\">oba<\/a>t, viser Acrobat ikke rigtig de farver, den indeholder. Selv om RGB-billeder stadig fejlagtigt er inkluderet, vil Acrobat pligtskyldigt vise CMYK-v\u00e6rdier. I print kan der imidlertid opst\u00e5 andre CMYK-v\u00e6rdier, n\u00e5r dataene behandles igen. For nylig s\u00e5 det s\u00e5ledes ud:<!--more--><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kunden sender angiveligt CMYK-data til korrekturpr\u00f8vning.<\/li>\n<li>F\u00f8rste datalevering: De fleste billeder er stadig i RGB. Kunden lagde ikke m\u00e6rke til dette, da han gennemgik dem i Acrobat.<\/li>\n<li>2. datalevering: Data i CMYK, der kan udskrives og pr\u00f8ves, og der laves derfor et korrekturtryk. Dataene blev imidlertid konverteret med en forkert profil, s\u00e5 alle billederne havde et gult sk\u00e6r. Den forkerte farveomdannelse blev f\u00f8rst bem\u00e6rket i pr\u00f8vetrykket.<\/li>\n<li>Dataoverf\u00f8rsel korrekt. Data i beviset er ogs\u00e5 korrekte.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Et andet problem: viderebehandling i trykkeriet<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Et trykkeri modtager kort fra Corel Draw, der er layoutet i RGB og konverteret til CMYK under eksport.<\/li>\n<li>Originale billeder fra fotografen i <a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/eci\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"ECI - European Color Initiative - er en gruppe af eksperter, der besk\u00e6ftiger sig med behandling af farvedata i udgivelsessystemer.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">ECI<\/a>-RGB-V2<\/li>\n<li>Corel af designeren, der overtager billederne fra fotografen sat til at <a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/srgb\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"sRGB er det mest udbredte RGB-farverum. sRGB er standardfarverummet i alle billige digitale kameraer og scannere. N\u00e6sten alle 8-bit RGB-filer uden et profilm\u00e6rke svarer til sRGB.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">sRGB<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Eksporten foretages til en CMYK PDF-fil. Designeren ved ikke, om hans Corel-vektoromr\u00e5der i RGB-sort er blevet behandlet anderledes end de RGB-billeder, som fotografen har integreret, og som maskerer deres sort via en lagmaske p\u00e5 disse vektoromr\u00e5der.<\/li>\n<li>Feedback fra trykkeriet efter at have modtaget data: Den sorte farve har for meget <a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/paforing-af-farve\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Bl\u00e6kd\u00e6kning i print refererer til m\u00e6ngden af bl\u00e6k, der p\u00e5f\u00f8res en printoverflade. Det kaldes ogs\u00e5 bl\u00e6kd\u00e6kning eller bl\u00e6kt\u00e6thed. Bl\u00e6kd\u00e6kningen er en vigtig parameter i trykprocessen, da den p\u00e5virker farvernes intensitet og m\u00e6tning. En h\u00f8j bl\u00e6kd\u00e6kning kan resultere i mere intense farver og h\u00f8jere m\u00e6tning, men...\" class=\"encyclopedia\">P\u00e5f\u00f8ring af bl\u00e6k<\/a>. Kunden og designeren er helt usikre. For selvf\u00f8lgelig er der ingen, der rigtig ved, hvordan Corel h\u00e5ndterer RGB-data - eventuelt profileret eller uprofileret - n\u00e5r de eksporterer til CMYK.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Det indr\u00f8mmer jeg: Med en CMYK-arbejdsgang ville s\u00e5danne problemer aldrig v\u00e6re opst\u00e5et. CMYK er den laveste f\u00e6llesn\u00e6vner mellem bureau, fotograf og trykkeri. Ikke desto mindre g\u00e5r jeg ind for RGB-arbejdsgangen i fremtiden. Hvis det anvendes og opstilles korrekt, giver det mulighed for langt bedre printresultater, fordi konverteringen til CMYK kan finde sted s\u00e5 sent som muligt. Men det betyder ogs\u00e5, at der skal v\u00e6re knowhow om farvestyring til r\u00e5dighed i processens trin \"s\u00e5 sent som muligt\". Og det er netop her, at mange trykkerier simpelthen m\u00e5 g\u00e5 forbi. For de fleste - ogs\u00e5 st\u00f8rre trykkerier - g\u00e5r frem efter princippet:<\/p>\n<p>&ldquo;Da kam mal einer, der hat das <a href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/leksikon-4\/ctp\/\" target=\"_self\" title='CTP-processen er en &quot;computer-til-plade&quot;-proces, hvor trykpladerne fremstilles direkte i en CTP-billedbehandler uden brug af film. Den er hurtigere og mere pr\u00e6cis, men ogs\u00e5 dyrere end den klassiske CTF - &quot;computer-to-film&quot;.' class=\"encyclopedia\">CTP<\/a> installeret. Efter tre dage var den v\u00e6k, og den har virket lige siden. Vi l\u00e6gger data ind foran, og diskene kommer ud bagud. Hvad er der i mellem? Det ved jeg ikke. Hvorfor?\"<\/p>\n<p>Det var det, der skete for nylig med en kunde. I forbindelse med trykning af en brochure med fotografier, der falmer i dyb sort, var tilbagemeldingen fra trykkeriet, at billederne skulle l\u00e6gges p\u00e5 en s\u00e5dan m\u00e5de, at den sorte farve best\u00e5r af 40\/0\/0\/0\/100.<\/p>\n<p>Det indr\u00f8mmer jeg: At en dyb sort kan have en CYAN-blanding, blev bestemt l\u00e6rt i erhvervsskolen for 30 \u00e5r siden. Og 40\/0\/0\/0\/100 er ogs\u00e5 sort. Men at bede en fotograf om at justere sine RGB-billeder til denne sortv\u00e6rdi er ikke s\u00e6rlig effektivt. Men det var netop det, der skete med en kunde. Konklusion: RGB er godt, men det er endnu ikke n\u00e5et til alle printere. De trykkerier, der kan t\u00e6nke ud af boksen, har dog helt sikkert allerede besk\u00e6ftiget sig med emnet.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is\u00e6r i st\u00f8rre virksomheder er layout i RGB nu reglen snarere end undtagelsen. Fordelene er indlysende: Layoutet foreg\u00e5r i et stort, n\u00e6sten medieneutralt farverum Alle Photoshop-filtre er tilg\u00e6ngelige uden begr\u00e6nsninger Processen med farverumskonvertering til CMYK flyttes s\u00e5 sent som muligt i produktionsprocessen I praksis er der dog is\u00e6r to potentielle problemer. Problem 1: CMYK-konvertering i det sidste trin. Kataloget er sat op i InDesign, alle data er helt korrekte, som det sidste trin f\u00f8r ... <\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more-container\"><a title=\"Layout i RGB, udskrivning i CMYK. Problemer?\" class=\"read-more button\" href=\"https:\/\/proof.proofen.de\/da\/layout-i-rgb-udskrivning-i-cmyk-problemer\/#more-371\" aria-label=\"L\u00e6s mere om Layout i RGB, print i CMYK. 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